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Feb. 15th, 2003

02:35 pm - Unspeakable Conversations

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From:ernunnos
Date:February 17th, 2003 06:49 am (UTC)
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Who has more right to judge the pains and costs and benefits and love than the parents?
Given your user name you should realize the flaw in this argument.

To raise a child who will require extreme medical care, parental attention and who might NEVER be self sufficient is a very great commitment indeed.
And no parent of a child who requires extreme medical care makes that commitment. They all demand the support of the collective. When the collective gets involved, the collective gets a say.
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From:selfishgene
Date:February 17th, 2003 04:05 pm (UTC)
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'Given your user name you should realize the flaw in this argument.'
- If by this comment you mean the parents will make a selfish decision, that is exactly what I want them to do. If you meant something else, please explain.
'When the collective gets involved, the collective gets a say'
- If the parents seek assistance from state or church or extended family then those entities can claim some say in the decision. Parents who are not asking for assistance should make their own decision.
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From:ernunnos
Date:February 18th, 2003 07:37 pm (UTC)
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If by this comment you mean the parents will make a selfish decision, that is exactly what I want them to do.
Parents should be responsible, not selfish.
Parents who are not asking for assistance should make their own decision.
Two problems with that.
  1. Parents are making decisions for another person. It is not just their decision to make.
  2. Parents of severely handicapped children who do not ask for assistance are so rare as to be non-existent.
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From:selfishgene
Date:February 19th, 2003 03:59 am (UTC)
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People have children for selfish reasons. Nobody ever asked a sperm cell and an ovum whether they wished to be united. When a child is born the parents have to support it financially, physically and emotionally for more than a decade (in the US, over 2 decades). They have every right to say we refuse this burden, especially if the child is seriously deformed. (The usurpation of parental rights by the state in the name of the child is just another statist power grab.)
The child is not in a position to make a decision nor can it support it's decision in any way since it is completely dependant on the parents for everything except oxygen.
Parents of handicapped children do usually ask for support but this would be irrelevant if it was legal to kill the child and they then chose to do so.
The whole notion that an infant has rights is derived from the religious position that it has a soul. Economically and politically it makes no sense to say an infant has rights since it has no power to even ask for it's rights, let alone defend them.
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