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Feb. 9th, 2003

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Libertarians: New State of Mind
Can 20,000 transplants transform a small state into a libertarian Utopia?

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Feb. 17 issue — A growing contingent of libertarians have decided that to get anywhere in politics they need to go ... somewhere. A plan by the Free State Project calls for 20,000 “freedom-loving people” to move to a small state and stage a bloodless coup in the next five years. In this utopia the state would slash taxes, reject most federal assistance, dump gun-control laws, legalize drugs, disband public schools and privatize almost all services.





FOUNDER JASON SORENS, 26, a Yale political-science doctoral candidate, says the group will vote on where to invade when 5,000 people sign on; so far about half that many have said they’d move. Their likely destination: New Hampshire or Wyoming, states with fewer than 1.5 million residents where 20,000 votes could sway an election. Wyoming’s got the greatest number of voters who picked conservative or libertarian candidates in recent presidential races. New Hampshire has the lowest percentage of government employees and teachers in unions, and coastal access “to make ourselves less dependent on the American market,” freestateproject.org notes. (The site addresses questions like “Can’t you make a warmer state an option?”) The party’s presidential candidate in 1996 and 2000, Harry Browne, says he’s not bashing the idea but calls it “collectivism,” which is anti-libertarian. Sorens is undeterred. Libertarians “don’t want to live the rest of their lives among people who think, basically, that they’re nuts.”
—Steve Friess

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From:tiff_seattle
Date:February 9th, 2003 10:08 pm (UTC)
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I like the idea but I would loathe the possibility of living in either of those two places.
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From:crasch
Date:February 9th, 2003 11:00 pm (UTC)

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Yeah, but with all the drugs 'n hookers, you'd forget all about the cold...
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From:merrill
Date:February 10th, 2003 03:10 pm (UTC)
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Don't forget the polgamy/gyny! Big beds full of warm people. :^)
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From:crasch
Date:February 10th, 2003 03:54 pm (UTC)
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Yeah! But no hogging the blankets. If I don't wear my PJ's my legs get cold.
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From:merrill
Date:February 10th, 2003 03:09 pm (UTC)
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There are 10 candidate states. The reporter was an ass, and got a ton of things wrong. This is to be expected, of course.
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From:crasch
Date:February 10th, 2003 03:57 pm (UTC)
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Did you talk to the reporter?

Yeah, there were a number of errors and jabs. But as these things go, it could've been worse.
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From:merrill
Date:February 10th, 2003 04:01 pm (UTC)

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Jason did. Yes, things could have been much worse (and will be, I have no doubt.) But the reporter was just lazy. I'm starting to think we should only do written interviews... if only that were an option.

The times I've been interviewed, as far as I can tell, they just took bad notes, and/or had preconceptions for which they didn't want to waste the time listening to the corrections.
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From:ex_nostradom25
Date:February 10th, 2003 04:44 am (UTC)

Oh... Hey!

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merrill has been involved with this FSP (Free State Project)for quite a while.

I figure, why not. But I'm nuts anyway, what do I know? ;)
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From:tinkerbell_mk
Date:February 10th, 2003 09:31 am (UTC)

vast generalizations ahead

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ya know...that's what I like about libertarians, as much as I think there are some flaws with the basic idea, libertarians actually seem to want to do shit with their beleifs. I would so support such a fabulous political experiment of a state!
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From:merrill
Date:February 10th, 2003 03:16 pm (UTC)

Re: vast generalizations ahead

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You can sign up as a "friend" of the project -- get our news emails, mailings, etc. -- without signing to move. Click here.

Or just send us some money. Even a little. :^)
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From:tinkerbell_mk
Date:February 10th, 2003 05:15 pm (UTC)

Re: vast generalizations ahead

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no actually...just the opposite, I'd be happy to move!!! Just you know, with that caviet that I'm supporting it because I want it to happen not because I'm actually libertarian. (A recovering libertarian maybe..but 12 steps and loosing my faith in market economy changed all that. Plus, money from a college student, far far more difficult than blood from stones, which I'm still working on. Te he)

Actually, more than moving I would be such a huge supporter of a massive libertarian education/propaganda campaign. The vast majority of Republicans I know are really libertarians and just don't know it yet. I'd be really into making being libertarian the cool new thing to do, and I think most other "librals" would help. Because really, libertarians, logical political advasary where as republicans, fucking scary. Pretty much every "libral" I know would pick libertarians over republicans any day. I don't see why they havn't gotten more support already.
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From:merrill
Date:February 10th, 2003 05:27 pm (UTC)

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Check out FSP flyers, etc., specifically for college campuses here. Start the education now! :^)
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From:slackananda
Date:February 11th, 2003 08:18 pm (UTC)
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One time, when I lived in Minnesota, I was at a Minnesota Grassroots Party / NORML fundraiser in front of the capital at St. Paul. A libertarian in a business suit joined our group, smoked a fatty with us and proceeded to tell us all about his plan to apply the same concept to local governments at the county and township level. He was a great speaker. We were all amazed by the idea and talked about it for several weeks afterward. I am not sure how true it is, but he said there are county governments re-elected every year without hardly anyone even bothering to vote. It seems this might be something to approach along the way to the FreeStateProject....

S.

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