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Feb. 1st, 2010

03:04 pm - Against The Wall

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"How much grander and pleasurable life if women stayed beautiful for 100 years instead of a precious 15 years? How much love would my heart shout at the world if the pool of beautiful women was every woman, everywhere, forevermore, and not just a small sliver of women with power so fleeting it may as well be a curse than a blessing? Imagine this world, and tell me then how you keep the demons of hate from lashing impudently and futilely against the natural order of things. I say fuck the natural order. Bring on the life and beauty extending tamperings of human ingenuity. Get off your knees, you limp-noodled gaiaists and blithely stoic servants of religion, you philosophical naifs and self-deluded sophists. Turn the tables and bring your evolutionary inheritance to its knees, if you dare."

Via Roissy in DC

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From:istar
Date:February 2nd, 2010 12:37 am (UTC)
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My yoga teacher is quite hot, and she has 2 high school age+ kids. I'm starting to realize that being attractive for the long run requires good genetics, increasingly hard work, and plenty of money, though...

I really feel for this kid -- she lost the genetic attractiveness lottery big-time, her family's on public aid, and her peers are so hateful that she can barely drag herself out of bed every day to face their constant abuse at school. She has little chance of improving her life unless she's extremely smart and clever to make up for her bad luck on the attractiveness scale. It's unfair, but true, that attractive people have a much easier time getting ahead in the world.
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From:adam__selene
Date:February 2nd, 2010 01:29 am (UTC)
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Her mother chose not to sterilize herself, and had this child without screening for the genetic defect. It wasn't a fair lottery.

Given cases such as this, one starts to debate the ethics of forced sterilization.
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From:crasch
Date:February 2nd, 2010 02:37 am (UTC)
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Poor kid. What a terrible disease. Of course, it's a fate we will all likely endure eventually.
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From:lds
Date:February 2nd, 2010 12:38 am (UTC)
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If only the "limp-noodled gaiaists and blithely stoic servants of religion" didn't outnumber us, and vote consistently with their limp-noodledness and blithe stoicism, we could perhaps have a chance to act. But the opportunity costs of overcoming the religious thinking inherent in the status quo has me lamenting that no strides will be made toward transhumanism in my lifetime.

How I'd love to be proven wrong.
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From:vyus
Date:February 2nd, 2010 01:05 am (UTC)
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roissy's amusing, but hardly someone to be taking beauty cues from.

it's only our own populace's buy-in to US magazine that mashes beauty into a narrow tube, prepackaged to be bought at a supermarket and tasted only superficially.

it's the same attitude that keeps people buying crap, and guarantees that nothing will ever come of environmentalism and the grand other plans we think we need to survive as a race.

i suppose that means i believe it's attitudes like his that keep us from progressing.
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From:crasch
Date:February 2nd, 2010 02:36 am (UTC)
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Roissy has many flaws, but on the issue of aging he's exactly right. Complacency will be the death of us all.
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From:gentlemaitresse
Date:February 2nd, 2010 04:22 pm (UTC)
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I can't believe you read Roissy, and actually quote him. My previous admiration and respect for you just diminished a little. The man is a misogynist.

And 15 years? Really??
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From:crasch
Date:February 2nd, 2010 06:19 pm (UTC)
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I agree that Roissy often behaves in a misogynist fashion, and I vehemently disgree with him on many matters. He's also often funny, insightful, and a great writer. That I quote him doesn't mean I agree with all his attitudes or beliefs. I'm also friends or fans of people who are religious and socialist, both systems of thought that I find pernicious. However, that sometimes quote religious or socialist folk doesn't mean I'm religious or socialist, and that I quote Roissy doesn't mean I subscribe to his misogyny.

And yes, I think it's closer to 20 than 15, but the physical attractiveness of most women drops precipitously between the ages of 35 - 40. You can do some things to slow the decline, especially weight training and calorie restriction, but it's a losing battle. That's why you often hear the qualifier "for her age" in discussions of an older woman's beauty. I find that loss a terrible tragedy. Too many people sugarcoat the effects of aging.
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From:gentlemaitresse
Date:February 2nd, 2010 08:59 pm (UTC)
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but it's a losing battle

The same can be said of men. They lose their hair, sometimes in their twenties. They let themselves go, at least as much as women. They lose their good looks, too, but you won't hear Roissy mention that.



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From:crasch
Date:February 2nd, 2010 09:26 pm (UTC)
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Agreed. Men decline too. But women are more forgiving and value other virtues more, as a rule. Old men with young women are common; old women with young men are a novelty.
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From:gentlemaitresse
Date:February 2nd, 2010 09:40 pm (UTC)
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If women are more forgiving, as a rule, then that says something positive about women, I think. We look at other things, and value other things, often above good looks.

Now what does that say about Roissy? ;-)
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From:crasch
Date:February 2nd, 2010 10:32 pm (UTC)
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I don't think it says something positive about women. Most men maintain their fertility into old age. A young woman who hooks up with a rich old man can still bear children. (Note that beautiful young woman/poor old man pairings are also rare.) Therefore, her genes still get passed on.

Women by and large, become infertile by age 40. Therefore, any man who found older ladies attractive would have fewer or no children. Men who only found young/fertile women attractive would have more children. Over time, the latter group of men would come to dominate the population.

So I think it's an accident of biology, not greater virtue, that causes women to be more forgiving.
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From:gentlemaitresse
Date:February 2nd, 2010 10:51 pm (UTC)
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Women become infertile by age 40? You might want to tell the Amish and Mennonite women that. They haven't gotten the memo.

This isn't really about biology; it's misogyny.
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From:crasch
Date:February 2nd, 2010 11:18 pm (UTC)
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As I qualified, "by and large", women become infertile after age 40. Many women do become pregnant after 40, of course, but that doesn't change the overall point of the argument.

From the American Fertility Association:

http://www.theafa.org/library/article/age_and_female_fertility/

"The probability of having a baby decreases 3-5 % per year after the age of 30, and at a faster rate after 40. Unfortunately, as women age they also have a higher chance of miscarrying.

At birth, a woman has all the eggs she will ever have. As an egg ages, it is more likely to develop a chromosomal abnormality. A fertilized egg with abnormal chromosomes is the single most common cause of miscarriage: at least half of all miscarriages are due to abnormal chromosomes. A woman in her 20s has only a 12-15% chance of having a miscarriage each time she becomes pregnant. On the other hand, a woman in her 40s faces a 50% risk of miscarriage."

And these fertility rates are in a modern, well-fed, healthy population. The fertility rates of older women in our evolutionary past were probably lower due to malnutrition, disease, and hard living. Men who preferred such women did not produce as many offspring.

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From:azalynn
Date:February 3rd, 2010 06:48 am (UTC)
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Wow. My first reaction is, "That guy sounds like a dick". As much as I want personally to stay young and relatively cute for 100 years or more, just...he makes it sound like he views we (women) are commodities or something. I am just glad I found a guy who is NOT anywhere close to that whole "Seduce and Destroy WE MUST RESPECT TEH COCK" subculture, ugh.
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From:gentlemaitresse
Date:February 3rd, 2010 04:13 pm (UTC)
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He is probably the biggest dick who ever lived. If you decide to read his blog, be prepared for your blood pressure to go through the roof. His hatred of women is unmatched.
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From:daphnep
Date:February 4th, 2010 09:27 pm (UTC)
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So sad...especially juxtaposed against the post just before it.
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