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Dec. 7th, 2005

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Why do the same people who feel awe in presence of 1000 year old redwood trees, often feel revulsion at the idea that it might be nice for humans to live that long too?

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From:kirinqueen
Date:December 7th, 2005 11:39 pm (UTC)
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I don't know any redwood trees who support the notion of intelligent design, or who want to molest little children, or run for president.
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From:candid
Date:December 7th, 2005 11:52 pm (UTC)
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And I don't know any humans that you can drive a car through.
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From:herbaliser
Date:December 7th, 2005 11:53 pm (UTC)
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well not anymore
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From:gynocide
Date:December 7th, 2005 11:54 pm (UTC)
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That's an interesting question.
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From:the23
Date:December 8th, 2005 12:08 am (UTC)
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the age of the trees is rarely what causes the awe. their size is a much more important factor for most.
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From:pentomino
Date:December 8th, 2005 12:08 am (UTC)
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Trees don't consume as many resources as modern humans. Moreover, when they do compete for resources, they generally do so without consequences that are as far-reaching as when we do so.

Trees will never riot because of oil prices.
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From:visgoth
Date:December 8th, 2005 12:12 am (UTC)
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I think it's disgusting that trees refuse to stand up for low prices.
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From:elsewhereangel
Date:December 8th, 2005 01:55 am (UTC)
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i agree.
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From:mindwalker
Date:December 8th, 2005 01:02 am (UTC)
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They simply can't stand the idea of man transforming nature (including himself) according to his own will rather than being controlled by it or other people.
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From:mindwalker
Date:December 8th, 2005 01:05 am (UTC)
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BTW, the January issue of Reason has an interesting panel discussion about human enhancement.
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From:cjsmith
Date:December 8th, 2005 01:06 am (UTC)
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Taint NACHREL!

I suspect that's some of it, anyway.
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From:evelynne
Date:December 8th, 2005 01:25 am (UTC)
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Because 1000 year old trees are beautiful, and 1000 year old people are probably ugly and wrinkly and still listening to ghastly music that was already passe 800 years ago.
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From:carrie
Date:December 8th, 2005 01:53 am (UTC)
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That's what I was thinking, too. If they could slow the aging process, too, then fine. But I've seen what one HUNDRED year old people look like, and at that rate a one THOUSAND year old person would be a puddle of goo.
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From:crasch
Date:December 8th, 2005 02:42 am (UTC)
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Assuming you had a lithe and strong body at the 1 K mark, how would you feel then?
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From:carrie
Date:December 8th, 2005 03:15 am (UTC)
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Sure, what the hell. I'm sure that most of the people who are objecting are doing so for reasons other than aesthetic ones, though. :p
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From:crasch
Date:December 8th, 2005 02:41 am (UTC)
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My music is passe now.


If people could be persuaded that you would be at least as healthy, firm, and supple as they were at 18, do you think that it would change their opinion?

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From:mindwalker
Date:December 8th, 2005 03:05 am (UTC)
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Great music lasts forever.
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From:evelynne
Date:December 8th, 2005 07:47 pm (UTC)
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My answer was mostly facetious (with a grain of truth in it). But I think that most people are freaked out because it's unnatural, as someone else said, so I don't know if they'd be persuaded by the youth/health angle.

For me personally, I would be incredibly tempted to live that long if I knew my body wasn't going to totally deteriorate. I mean, you could live ten lives (or more) in that time, changing careers, learning new things, stopping work for a few decades, whatever. Wow.
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From:troyworks
Date:December 8th, 2005 06:35 am (UTC)
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good point. Given the evolution of speech who wants to be listening to a guy talking in shakespearian accent all day?
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From:pasquin
Date:December 8th, 2005 01:45 am (UTC)

Because...

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Humans can be evil and trees are innocent. I say fuck the redwoods all in the knothole and teach'em a lesson.
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From:crasch
Date:December 8th, 2005 02:41 am (UTC)

Re: Because...

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Smokie the Bear cries for you.
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From:elsewhereangel
Date:December 8th, 2005 01:58 am (UTC)
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the section in gulliver's travels on humans who couldn't die but kept aging and grew more and more ingrained in their pettiness struck me as far too real to ever want to live that long.
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From:troyworks
Date:December 8th, 2005 06:36 am (UTC)

bush for an age?

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because name 3 people you'd want to live that long other than yourself. My houseplants on the other hand I have no issues with.
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From:crasch
Date:December 8th, 2005 08:48 am (UTC)

Re: bush for an age?

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There has to be better way to get rid of dictators than to let everyone die.

Everyone in my immediate family, for starters. Most of the people on my friends list. (I can't think of anyone that I wouldn't want to live for 1000 years.)

I also think that people behave badly in part because there's no cost past their 80+ year lifespan. If, on the other hand, you have to live 1000 years with the consequences of your actions, I can't help but think would make you more circumspect.
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From:crasch
Date:December 8th, 2005 07:05 pm (UTC)

Re: Obvious

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It depends on the marriage, it depends on the work. Given compound interest, even someone making minimum wage could earn enough to become financially independent in a 100 years or so. Then they could spend their time doing things they like. And if you're unhappy with your spouse, why would you stay with her? Find somebody else.


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From:mrangel
Date:December 8th, 2005 08:48 am (UTC)
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What about a human living for a thousand years as a tree? I think being a tree would be quite peaceful.
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From:peamasii
Date:December 8th, 2005 10:24 am (UTC)
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Would I want 1000 years to be the same average, mediocre human who works in the office and mostly surfs the net all day? I don't think so. Or are you saying that having such longevity would motivate people to do more than their usual norm? I would disagree also, it seems that people are more encouraged to change their life when they know it will be over soon. Personally, I think immortality or a very long life prospect is antithetical to a remarkable life.
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From:frauhedgehog
Date:December 8th, 2005 02:32 pm (UTC)
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Only if I could have a couple kids every twenty or thirty years or so. Then it would be cool.
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